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Step inside the office of the BC Lions with the 1st & Now Podcast! Get an inside look at what goes on behind the scenes with exclusive interviews and insights from players, coaches & other special guests as they join Matt Baker and Nik Kowalski for a unique look at Lions football and other stories in the world of sports.


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EPISODE 78 | KNOCKING ON THE PLAYOFF DOOR

Matt and Nik talk about a big win in Calgary, the guys get fired up over the latest CFL Power Rankings, plus Lions analyst Giulio Caravatta joins the show to talk about what has impressed him the most about Vernon Adams Jr. and a few other noteworthy players.

 

As he embarks on career game number 100 with the only team he has ever known, Bryan Burnham remains forever grateful to do his job.

EPISODE 77 | SADDLE UP

Matt and Nik are back to preview a big home and home series with the Stampeders, beginning this Saturday at McMahon Stadium. Stamps radio man Mark Stephen joins the program to talk about their recent QB change and what has made both the defence and special teams click so far this season.

With the CFL Combine on tap for this weekend in Toronto, it presents a big opportunity to mine for prospect gold ahead of the Draft.

EPISODE 76 | NEIL MCEVOY

Lions co-general manager Neil McEvoy stops by to talk about a busy few days which included two big trades for the squad. McEvoy also looks ahead to the upcoming eight-week stretch drive and talks about a special excursion with members of the Canadian Armed Forces.

EPISODE 75 | ROD PEDERSEN TALKS RIDERS

Rod Pedersen stops by to give his thoughts on Friday’s Lions-Roughriders rematch and how pressure is on in Riderville with the Grey Cup to be played there in November. Rod also talks about broadcast memories and how the industry continues to evolve.

EPISODE 74 | SEAN WHYTE

Lions kicker Sean Whyte joins the boys to talk about his heroics in Calgary, the fun vibe around this team, his firefighting progress and how he was once almost a contestant on The Bachelor.

EPISODE 73 | KELLY BATES

Matt and Nik discuss a magical performance over Edmonton and the continued legend of Nathan Rourke. Kelly Bates stops by to talk about his improved offensive line and the boys preview a huge test this weekend in Calgary.

EPISODE 72 | DELVIN BREAUX SR.

Lions defensive back Delvin Breaux Sr. joins the show to talk about life as a Lion, why he chose to come out of retirement and also re-lives a broken neck in high school and how he was able to recover for a shot at pro football.

EPISODE 71 | RYAN PHILLIPS

Defensive coordinator Ryan Phillips joins Matt and Nik to talk about his group’s hot start to the season and the reasons for the early chemistry. RP also previews this Friday’s game in Saskatchewan while also talking about memories of Regina from his playing days.

EPISODE 70 | TACKLING THE TIGER-CATS

Matt and Nik welcome in Louie Butko from the Ticats Audio Network for a preview of Thursday’s clash with Hamilton. The fellas also go around the CFL following a very exciting week of football and look ahead to this week’s slate of games.

EPISODE 69 | FEELING HUMBLED

No bye week for Matt and Nik as the fellas breakdown Saturday’s loss to the Blue Bombers and how it can serve as a humbling lesson moving forward. Defensive back Quincy Mauger also joins the show to talk about his path to the Lions and some big games he played in while with the Georgia Bulldogs.

EPISODE 68 | DANCING WITH THE DEFENDING CHAMPS

Matt and Nik are back to preview a huge clash with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers on Saturday. Wide receiver Keon Hatcher joins the show to break down his solid performance while Darren Bauming from Bonfire Sports TV stops by to talk about the defending Grey Cup champions.

EPISODE 67 | DOMINIQUE RHYMES

Lions receiver Dominique Rhymes joins Matt and Nik to talk about a big performance in the win over Toronto, going back to Ottawa where he has a few special fans and his off-field hobbies which include producing video vlogs.

EPISODE 66 | TEEING UP BOATMEN CLASH

Matt and Nik look ahead to a big week three matchup with the Toronto Argonauts and how the squad looks to build on an impressive opener. The boys also interview Lukas Moore, a Chicago-based podcaster who covered Nathan Rourke during his time with the Ohio Bobcats.

EPISODE 65 | JAMES BUTLER

CFL Top Performer of the Week James Butler joins the boys to talk about his big performance in the 59-15 win over Edmonton and how he initially wasn’t enamoured with the idea of playing in Canada. Matt and Nik also recap a special night at BC Place and go around the CFL.

John Bowman begins the coaching chapter of his career in the Den where he looks to lead an improved group of hungry defensive linemen.

EPISODE 64 | JOHN BOWMAN

On the day he signed an extension to remain with the Lions, Bryan Burnham opened up about a career path that involved plenty of adversity.

EPISODE 63 | BRYAN BURNHAM

The highlight-reel machine joins the boys to talk about camp life, what it was like entering as a rookie in 2014, influence of his parents, being a foster dad and more.

EPISODE 62 | LIVE FROM KAMLOOPS WITH LUCKY WHITEHEAD

EPISODE 61| TRAINING CAMP PREVIEW WITH NEIL MCEVOY

EPISODE 60 | NATHAN ROURKE’S FOOTBALL PATH

 

EPISODE 59 | RYAN RIGMAIDEN

Matt and Nik are joined by Lions Assistant GM Ryan Rigmaiden. The boys discuss day-to-day scouting, how the roster has shaped up for 2022 and how Riggs first got motivated to pursue a career in pro football.

EPISODE 58 | GIULIO CARAVATTA

Lions radio analyst Giulio Caravatta on what he likes about this 2022 squad, the difference in QB development in today’s game and some great stories on his playing days and first career start for the Lions in Baltimore back in 1995.

 

 

Unfinished business is the key for the Lions O-Line. In our latest positional breakdown, we take a look at the group up front led by Kelly Bates.

EPISODE 57 | SUKH CHUNGH

 

Kicker Sean Whyte is back home with the Lions and ready to help this squad get to the next level, along with pursuing firefighter aspirations.

EPISODE 56 | SEAN WHYTE

EPISODE 55 | JORDAN WILLIAMS

EPISODE 54 | DON’T CALL IT A COMEBACK

It's a homecoming of sorts for Rick Campbell. The Lions head coach joins 1st and Now to talk about this week's challenge in the nation's capital.

EPISODE 53 | CAMPBELL TALKS HOMECOMING, KEYS TO IMPROVEMENT

Head coach Rick Campbell joins Matt to break down the squad’s first three games of 2021, recap an exciting week for the club and look ahead to his return to Ottawa this weekend as the Lions look to even their record at 2-2 before the bye week.

 

EPISODE 52 | THE MOJ STOPS BY!

Matt is joined by Lions play-by-play voice Bob “The Moj Marjanovich who talks about the new broadcast deal with Corus, being reunited with Giulio Caravatta and some of the storylines he’s excited for as training camp begins this weekend.

Childhood friends Garry Peters and Kenny Ladler join 1st and Now to talk about growing up in the ATL, big games in college and reuniting in Lions secondary.

EPISODE 51 | ATL DUO PRIMED FOR GREY CUP RUN

With a return to the field hopefully getting closer by the day, Matt catches up with Lions defensive backs Garry Peters and Kenny Ladler. The childhood friends talk about growing up in Atlanta, playing big games against big opponents in college and excitement to kick things off in Kamloops later this summer with an exciting group.

 

 

Defensive line coach Leroy Blugh joins 1st and Now to talk about his gig with the Lions and his hall of fame career as a player.

EPISODE 50 | HALL OF FAMER LEROY BLUGH TALKS LIONS D-LINE

Defensive line coach Leroy Blugh stops in for a discussion on some of the talented players in his position group being brought to camp. It’s a nice mixture of CFL and NFL experience. Blugh also talks about his relationship with head coach Rick Campbell and looks back on his Hall of Fame career as a player.

Tackling the CFL Draft! Lions co-GM Neil McEvoy joins 1st and Now to break down the process of picking top National prospects May 4th.

EPISODE 49 | CFL DRAFT, LEGENDARY BROADCASTERS & EXCITEMENT FOR 2021

Lions co-GM Neil McEvoy stops by for a look ahead to the CFL Draft on May 4th! How excited is he for this year’s class of Canadian content? That plus he and Matt kick around some stories about a few British Columbia broadcasting legends.

EPISODE 48 | SCOUTING SEASON HEATS UP

Matt checks in with Lions co-GM/head coach Rick Campbell for a preview of both the Global Draft on Thursday and Canadian Draft set for May 4th. How stoked is Campbell to land an impact Global player at first overall? He also looks ahead to planning for training camp in this uncertain world.

Sukh Chungh is ready to hit someone in another uniform. He joins 1st and Now to talk about what has kept him busy throughout this last year of craziness.

EPISODE 47 | SUKH CHUNGH READY FOR BIG RETURN

Matt is joined by Lions offensive lineman Sukh Chungh. The former Terry Fox Ravens star talks about preparation for his 6th CFL season, offseason hobbies that include re-building a classic car and the pride he takes in being a role model to younger Sikh children pursuing their sports dreams.

EPISODE 46 | BONUS CHAT WITH LEMAR DURANT

Coquitlam native Lemar Durant joins Matt for a bonus episode. The receiver talks about a hobby he picked up during the COVID shutdown, his excitement level for getting back on the field and his thoughts on the Lions team that’s being constructed for a big return in 2021!

Former Lions defensive back Davis Sanchez joins 1st and Now to talk 2011 memories, his second career on the TSN panel and much more!

EPISODE 45 | FROM NORTH DELTA TO BRIGHT TSN LIGHTS

Matt is joined by former BC Lions defensive back and current TSN football analyst Davis Sanchez. The North Delta native looks back on some fond memories of his time in the den plus talks about his transition into broadcasting. In 2020, Sanchez realized just how much he loves being part of the CFL on TSN family.

 

New addition Lucky Whitehead joins 1st and Now to talk about his path to the Lions and some of the great things that have happened along the way.

EPISODE 44 | DO YA FEEL LUCKY?

Matt is joined by new Lions receiver Lucky Whitehead. The dynamic playmaker talks about what sold him on signing with the squad, some of the highlights of his time with the Dallas Cowboys and the scary incident which saw his dog Blitz get kidnapped and held for ransom.

From his first touchdown to climbing the Lions' all-time receiving list and some crazy highlight-reel catches, a timeline of Bryan Burnham's best moments.

EPISODE 43 | FREE AGENT FRENZY

Co-GM and head coach Rick Campbell joins the show to look ahead to free agency and discuss some of the great pieces the Lions have already brought in. Campbell also can’t wait for the chance to see what Bryan Burnham can do in this 2021 offence, after the All-Star re-signed last week.

EPISODE 42 | DAVID MACKIE

Matt Baker talks with Lions fullback David Mackie on his new contract, his new role as a member of the special teams leadership group and how he has kept himself busy during the pandemic growing his personal training business back east.

Rick Campbell and Neil McEvoy talk about sharing the GM duties with Lions and how plans for building a winner in 2021 continue to heat up.

EPISODE 41 | CO-GMs On 2021 AND MORE

Rick Campbell and Neil McEvoy join episode 41 to talk about their appointment as Co-General Managers and how plans are moving forward on a return to contention in 2021. The two football lifers took vastly different paths to their current positions, but both share the common goal!

EPISODE 40 | MCEVOY TALKS GREY CUP MEMORIES AND MORE

Director of Football Operations Neil McEvoy joins episode 40. A member of three Lions Grey Cup-winning squads, he talks about his championship memories. He’s also a busy guy preparing for a return to the field in 2021. How does the altered draft format impact their scouting plans? McEvoy breaks it all down as he and head coach Rick Campbell continue to lead the brass.

 

Tributes pour in for BC Lions owner and CFL legend David Braley on the day he passed away at age 79.

EPISODE 39 | A TRIBUTE TO DAVID BRALEY

Episode 39 is dedicated to our owner, Mr. David Braley. Matt is joined by Wally Buono and Lions Vice President George Chayka for a tribute to the giant of a man who died earlier this week. The men share some of their fondest memories of a true Canadian patriot, and also talk about some of the things many people may not have known about him. This one is for you, Mr. B!

 Lions head coach Rick Campbell joins 1st and Now to discuss him and the brass preparing for a full return in 2021, and more.

EPISODE 38 | COACH CAMPBELL JOINS THE SHOW

Lions head coach Rick Campbell joins 1st and Now to talk about how he and the brass are preparing for 2021 after the departure of GM Ed Hervey. Campbell says his discussions with coaches and players are all the same: the CFL will be as exciting as ever once we are back on the field. He also breaks down how different prep for the Draft and free agency will be this offseason.

In episode 37 of 1st and Now, receiver Shaq Johnson AKA H.I.M. talks football, life and his off-field hobby of producing rap music.

EPISODE 37 | SHAQ JOHNSON AKA H.I.M.

You knew he was an athletic receiver. But did you also know Shaq Johnson had another big talent? In episode 37, Johnson stops by to talk about his latest project as an aspiring rap artist. He got the inspiration to do music from his father Alvin, a former reggae performer. Shaq also looks back on breaking in with the Lions and scoring his first career touchdown in a victory in Hamilton in 2017

 

The dynamic duo of Richie Leone and Mike Benson joined 1st and Now to talk about Stadium Cribs and all of the friendships made with the BC Lions.

EPISODE 36 | STADIUM CRIBS REUNION

Richie Leone and Mike Benson join the show to talk about their favourite memories of BC Lions Stadium Cribs and more! The special teams duo remain close friends and also views the time in British Columbia as a highlight of their career. Both players admit times are tough without football games to play in 2020.

From scouting during these uncertain times to his Grey Cup memories, Superman AKA Geroy Simon talks football on Episode 35 of 1st and Now.

EPISODE 35 | CATCHING UP WITH SUPERMAN

Geroy Simon stops by on episode 35 to talk all things football! The CFL’s all-time leader in receiving yards gives his thoughts on the Grey Cup Fan Base, talks about going into the Greater Johnstown High School Ring of Honour, his excitement for Chase Claypool and MORE!

EPISODE 34 | ROMANTIC ABOUT THE GREY CUP

Matt is joined by Lions offensive line coach Kelly Bates! The self-confessed Grey Cup romantic shares his favourite stories on the trophy, when he first saw it up close and of course breaks down the moment he broke it after winning in 2006! Bates also talks about the current times and how he can’t wait to hit the field again with his offensive linemen.

From the shores of Kingston, Ontario! Episode 33 of 1st and Now features Lions offensive lineman Andrew Peirson who talks about his path to the CFL.

EPISODE 33 | FROM THE SHORES OF KINGSTON

BC Lions offensive lineman Andrew Peirson joins episode 33! Peirson talks about growing up in Kingston and his path to the Lions that included a stop at Gannon University in Erie, Pennsylvania. Plus, Peirson has a great story about nearly not making it to his first Lions camp in Kamloops! Once he got there, he was able to learn from a few great mentors on the O-Line.

EPISODE 32 | TUCK TALES

Matt speaks with BC Lions receivers coach Jason Tucker. The three-time CFL All-Star talks about his path to Canada that included a stop with the Dallas Cowboys and a stint with the Rhein Fire of NFL Europe. Tuck also can’t wait to get to work with the Lions crop of receivers.

On Episode 31 of 1st and Now, the official BC Lions Podcast, TSN 1040 analyst Giulio Caravatta talks about the 2011 Grey Cup run and much more.

EPISODE 31 | PUT YOUR HELMET ON!

Matt is joined by TSN 1040 Lions analyst Giulio Caravatta in Episode 31! The guys look back on some of the key moments from the magical 2011 Grey Cup season, Giulio tells a great story about his first trip to Hamilton as a player in 1991 and they also talk about their latest activities during the COVID-19 shutdown.

1st and Now host Matt Baker is joined by veteran TJ Lee for a talk about fathers day and a look back to his first ever Lions camp in 2014.

EPISODE 30 | FATHER FIGURES

Veteran Lions defensive back TJ Lee joins host Matt Baker to talk about Father’s Day and some of the best Dad figures he has had in his life. Lee also looks back to his first ever Lions camp in 2014 and how he went from a relatively unknown prospect to one of the best defensive backs in the entire CFL.

EPISODE 29 | CAMP LIFE AND WALLYISMS

Matt welcomes in longtime Lions employee Neil McEvoy who looks back on starting with the Lions in ticket sales in the mid 90s and climbing his way up the football operations ladder. The duo talks Kamloops training camp memories and Neil also weighs in on one of his favourite all-time Wally Buono stories.

EPISODE 28 | IF BEALE ST. BBQ COULD TALK

Host Matt Baker is joined by former Lions lineman and current Director of Corporate Partnerships Jamie Taras who talks about memories of Doug Flutie and travelling to American CFL cities in 1994 and 1995. Taras also breaks down some of the important Lions community initiatives the club is promoting during this COVD-19 pandemic.

EPISODE 27 | TALES OF A CANADIAN QB

Host Matt Baker is joined by Lions colour analyst Giulio Caravatta! Giulio talks about life as a firefighter on the front lines during COVID-19, looks back on his days as a Toronto Blue Jays groundskeeper, his first ever start as Lions QB in 1995 and talks about this week’s CFL draft!

EPISODE 26 | SERGIO CASTILLO

Host Matt Baker chats with newly re-signed kicker Sergio Castillo. How excited is Sergio to build on what was a career year in 2019? The kicker also talks about life in Texas during COVID-19, breaks down his experience playing for the XFL’s Houston Roughnecks earlier this year and explains how playing in his high school marching band eventually led him to take up the game of football.

EPISODE 25 | MAKIN’ IT RAIN

Matt and Travis head down to Florida for a chat with the always-entertaining Chris Rainey! How excited is the Rain Man to be back in Lions orange? The speedster is motivated to help this squad back back to the playoffs and compete for the Grey Cup. Rainey also talks about life in the Sunshine State and adjustments to the every day routine with his wife and kids during the COVID-19 pandemic.

EPISODE 24 | REILLY’S RAMBLINGS

Matt and Travis are joined by Lions starting quarterback Mike Reilly in episode 24 of 1st and Now! In his first interview of 2020, Reilly has plenty of jokes in store and talks about his excitement for a new coaching staff. The boys also talk about some of the latest developments surrounding the COVID-19 virus.

 

EPISODE 23 | I STILL KEEP A SUITCASE IN BERLIN

Matt and Travis are back with episode 23! The fellas are joined by long-time Lions strength and conditioning coach Chris Boyko who shares his interesting path to working in pro football and what his routine is like keeping the players in tip-top shape. Mr. Lulay also shares some good stories of his time in NFL Europe with the Berlin Thunder! The fellas also talk about CFL Commissioner Randy Ambrosie’s commitment to making the league more global.

EPISODE 22 | SMELLS LIKE FOOTBALL 

Matt Baker and Travis Lulay are back with a football-filled episode 22 of 1st and Now! The boys break down the latest additions to this Lions squad and look ahead to next week when the entire coaching staff will be in town. Also, with the NFL Combine going on we go down memory lane with Travis on his experience working out for all 32 NFL teams back in 2006. It includes a doozy of a story on his interview session with the Miami Dolphins!

 

EPISODE 21 | “IT’S JUST A FOOTBALL WORLD”

Matt Baker and Travis Lulay speak with Lions legend and current defensive backs coach Ryan Phillips. What does RP remember about first breaking in with the BC Lions? Matt and Travis also break down the club’s recent free agent additions.

EPISODE 20 | FREE AGENT FRENZY

Host Matt Baker is joined by TSN 1040 Lions analyst Giulio Caravatta! The duo breaks down a busy 24 hours for the club in free agency and how the addition of Micah Johnson will do wonders for the defence. Plus, Giulio goes down memory lane and shares some stories of the legendary J.P. McConnell.

EPISODE 19 | CATCHING UP WITH COACH CAMPBELL

Episode 19 of 1st and Now is jam-packed with football content! Matt Baker and Travis Lulay speak with head coach Rick Campbell on his re-adjustment to the west coast and what he is looking for in free agency next week. Plus, they recap Super Bowl LIV.

EPISODE 18 | LET THE OFFSEASON FUN BEGIN

In Episode 18 of First and Now, Matt Baker is joined by 2011 Grey Cup MVP Travis Lulay. The pair discusses a couple of key offseason moves by the BC Lions and also give their thoughts on Super Bowl LIV between the San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs.

EPISODE 17 | GREY CUP SATURDAYS WERE MADE FOR PARTYING

Matt and Jamie are back with a post-Grey Cup edition of 1st and Now. The fellas recap what was a big day for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and Jamie is really angry about something that gets discussed around every Grey Cup! They also have some hard-hitting food takes.

EPISODE 16 | “YOU NEED TO START WITH A CORE AND A CORE IS THERE.”

Matt and Jamie are back for a preview of the 107th Grey Cup between Calgary and Winnipeg. Travis Lulay joins the boys to talk CFL playoffs, plus they will recap the Lions season and break down some of the positives the club can build on for 2020.

EPISODE 15 | 1st & Now Special | Chat with the Prez

BC Lions’ president Rick LeLacheur takes calls and questions from Season Ticket holders with the help of moderator Matt Baker.

EPISODE 14 | “THE GRIND DON’T STOP”

Fan favourite and BC Lions legend Travis Lulay joins Matt Baker for a bye-week edition of 1st & Now to talk family life, football and the psychology of slumps.

EPISODE 13 | “WE’RE IN A YELLING MOOD”

In Episode 13 of 1st and Now, Matt and Jamie look ahead to the big rematch with Saskatchewan plus talk moon landings and the FaceApp craze.

EPISODE 12 | “IT’S LIKE HAVING KIDS, YOU’VE GOTTA BELIEVE IN THEM.”

In Episode 12 of First and Now, Matt and Jamie look ahead to a big test in Regina and go down memory lane to visits there from the past. The duo also discusses the MLB All-Star game and adventures in fatherhood.

EPISODE 11 | NO APOLOGIES FOR VICTORY

 

They’re back! Fresh off a big win for the boys in Toronto, Matt and Jamie break down the ‘rouge’ plus look ahead to a huge divisional battle with the Edmonton Eskimos on Thursday night. Oh, and of course they break down Kawhi Leonard bolting for the L.A. Clippers.

EPISODE 10 | “THEY PLAYED THAT GAME IN JUST A TORRENTIAL DOWNPOUR.”

With the latest Avengers movie set to open this week, Jamie and Matt talk about unlikely movie plots, the craziness of the Stanley Cup Playoffs and the importance of good Canadian content in the CFL.

 

EPISODE 9 | “HER MAJESTY JUST SITS ON HER LAPTOP, OPENS UP NETFLIX AND JUST WATCHES?”

Countdown to Training Camp, Playoff Hockey, Tiger Woods & Game of Thrones! It’s a topical episode of 1st and Now with Jamie Cartmell & Matt Baker.

EPISODE 8 |  “If you’re going to base your entire opinion of a league on one game, you are in fact, an idiot.”

Saluting an all-time great Lion, picking their Stanley Cup favourites and reacting to “boring” CFL comments – Jamie and Matt talk sports, sports, sports on this edition of 1st & Now!

EPISODE 7: “I’D RATHER BE FOUND DEAD IN MY OWN BATHTUB THAN WEAR A HALLOWEEN COSTUME TO WORK.”

We’re back with hot takes on holidays, the demise of another football league and MORE on episode 7 of 1st and Now!

EPISODE 6: “YOU KNOW THEY’RE BIG WHEN THERE ARE 9 GUYS ON THE BILL.”

Jamie and Matt talk about the days of having to line up for concert tickets and much more in a special weekend edition of 1st and Now!

EPISODE 5: “WE HAD A MEETING AND WE DECIDED WE COULD CURSE.”

Deadly spiders, first concerts and CFL Combine tales… it’s story time in the den as head coach DeVone Claybrooks joins Jamie & Matt for Episode 5 of 1st and Now! Oh, and we decided we can curse.

EPISODE 4: “HAVE A LITTLE SELF AWARENESS!” 

Matt Baker and Jamie Cartmell talk about CFL 2.0 and BC Lions office etiquette.

EPISODE 3: “I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’RE GOING TO DIE, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO DO IT QUIETLY SO YOU CAN GET SOME SLEEP.” 

Quarterback Royalty – Travis Lulay & Mike Reilly are in studio with Jamie Cartmell & Matt Baker as #14 announces his retirement.

EPISODE 2: “THIS BUILDING DEFINITELY BRINGS BACK A LOT OF MEMORIES.”

Mike Reilly in da House! The newest member of the BC Lions, quarterback Mike Reilly, joins Jamie Cartmell & Matt Baker for episode 2 of FIRST & NOW.

EPISODE 1: “THEY JUST LET ANYONE GET PODCASTS HERE THESE DAYS.”

The Launch, and behind-the-scenes at Superbowl. Hosts Matt Baker & Jamie Cartmell kick off the inaugural episode of FIRST & NOW with special guest DeVone Claybrooks!